Transcript of an interview with Muhammad Jalal of the “Thinking Muslim Podcast”, Episode 73, July 2022 (may vary slightly from the recording in places). — The original podcast can be found here: “Jordan Peterson, White Supremacy and the Perils of Engagement”, Thinking Muslim Podcast, Episode 73, July 2022. The article upon which the podcast is based is here. Y. Birt, “The Unbearable Whiteness of Being: Convert Leaders in the West and the New Ethno-Nationalism”, The Long View (London), 4/3, July 2022, pp.3–6. The pdf version is here. The interview below expands on some of the issues in the article, so it is better to read the article first of all.